In Response to the “Pisteuomen” blog – Mystery in God’s Love for Humans

Introduction: This is a response to the “Pisteuomen” blog.  It was such an interesting blog that I decided to give my initial response here for you all to read.  If you wish to see what I’m responding to, click here: PISTEUOMEN.

Dear Micheal,

I’ve really enjoyed reading your blog.  Here are a few thoughts on your most recent, which I have linked above.

Since I have such a relational view of God (because of the imago dei within us), I have tended to look at how our world is set up to glean a bit of who God is (of course tempered by prayer and careful study of Scripture).  I find that those who look only to Greek Philosophy and Scripture tend to create an image of God that is more marble and granite than the Relational God that created our ever moving, ever changing, ever interesting universe.  Whether God is unmovable or not, though, seems irrelevant, when it is seen from our own perspective.  We change constantly, and God made us this way – so our view of God transforms as we learn more about Him.  We do not become a believer and suddenly have all knowledge.  Even if we affirm that God never changes, or is unmovable, we cannot pretend to really understand what this means, because we (and our circumstances/world) are infinitely movable.

The best picture we have is God in Isaiah and Revelation, images of God on a throne, and the nations coming to Him for justice, teaching, and righteousness.  Such a beautiful scene, but in our present circumstance, we are only working towards this reality – making our world more viable and more like The Kingdom as it breaks into this world (but the church as God’s Kingdom is far from perfect as history has shown).  We are working towards this wonderful reality, and really need to live in the tension that Abraham faces when he pleads for Sodom and Gomorrah.  In a conversation with God, Abraham is limited in perspective, and his prayers (though sincere), are from a temporal perspective.  God is open to Abhraham and loves his compassion for the people he has lived with – but God’s perspective (which is beyond our reasonable understanding), knows that as he gives concessions to Abraham’s compassion, that there is not one Good person, who fears God and does not love to do evil, within the city.  As Abraham wins concessions, the final outcome does not change.  So while God is open to changing, and loves His relationship with us – His plan and will do not change.  Judgment still comes.

Later, with the people of Israel, we see concessions as well as Moses mediatiation for the people in the Pentateuch. He is a human answer to Job’s plea for a Mediator between man and God which Christ perfectly fulfills.  God’s will is not for a Mediator, but a close and intimate relationship with each human He has created – so Christ brings God’s presence back to man.  But though God’s plan seems to change temporally in our world – His ultimate plans eventually see fruition, and for a Being that is outside and inside time simultaneously, there is a Mystery here that needs to be grappled with.

So I’m not sure that this is an either/or, but rather, a Both situation.  God is both Moveable, in the sense that He is open, as you say, to Human situations; and yet simultaneously, He is UnMoveable in the sense that His will and His ways will come about and He will sit on His throne and Humanity will love and obey Him and seek His wisdom above the lowly accumulation of knowledge that we put above true Wisdom (that can only be given by God, and springs from the fear of the all powerful, unrestrainable God who created the Universe, and in a stange act of Mercy, created beings that were like Him, but not Him).  His very breath sustains us, and simulataneously could destroy all of us at a moments whim.  What power! What love!  That we even exist, and are allowed to persue our dreams!  What mystery! That the Unmovable is open to the Movable!  This very knowledge drives me to worship, to love, and to revere God.  It leads me to prayer, and it drives me to seek understanding at His feet.

-Dan

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2 thoughts on “In Response to the “Pisteuomen” blog – Mystery in God’s Love for Humans

  1. Daniel, From reading your post, I notice a number of things:
    1) We have different theologies of God’s will and God’s plan
    2) We both have very relational views of the Trinity
    3) You argue for a both/and in a way different than I do. I think you would do well to look at this issue a bit differently. If you read some of my prior posts on prayer, you will see that I argue that God’s nature and character do not change but that He can change His mind, emotions, etc.
    4) I also take issue with the “BEST” images of God being in Rev & Isa

    There are some other things but I just want to say here that I appreciate you taking hte time to reply. I hope you will ponder some of my comments. Look fwd to engaging you in more dialogue in the future!

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  2. Thanks for reading and commenting. I’d like to comment further but for tonight Id like to let you know that I was thinking bit wrote too quickly – “some of the best images”. More later.

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